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Can CEO John Ternus find Apple's next big thing?

Sep 21, 2026 · 58m

Summary

Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman joins Decoder to analyze Apple’s first event under CEO John Ternus, highlighting the debut of the foldable iPhone Duo and a strategic pivot toward AI. The discussion covers the massive executive turnover at Apple, including Tim Cook’s transition to Executive Chairman and the departure of Phil Schiller, as the company reshapes its leadership structure. Gurman also details upcoming AI-native hardware, such as smart home hubs and smart glasses, while addressing the contentious lawsuit against OpenAI and the implications of Jony Ive’s new role in the AI hardware landscape.

Topics discussed

Sponsors: CrowdStrike and Dopple Introduction and guest Mark Gurman Nostalgia for surprise at Apple events John Ternus's leadership style vs Tim Cook Apple's safe strategy and AI limitations Rehashing Apple Intelligence features Upcoming AI-native devices and wearables Eras of Apple: Jobs, Cook, and community iPhone Duo launch and Vision Pro failure Sponsors: Upwork, Shopify, and CrowdStrike The succession plan and executive retirements Tim Cook's 'Hotel California' strategy Phil Schiller's departure and new era Company structure and culture changes Johny Ive's exit and Apple Silicon Leadership hierarchy and retention issues Apple's AI strategy and Google partnership OpenAI lawsuit and device competition Johny Ive's new venture and AI interfaces Sponsors: Framer, Pipedrive, and T-Mobile AirPods camera and visual intelligence Privacy concerns and smart glasses Apple Watch features and camera limitations Social backlash and ambient listening Prediction: Foldables as the new normal Ternus's legacy and next centerpiece Outro and show credits Sponsor: Dancing with the Stars
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