Can CEO John Ternus find Apple's next big thing?
Sep 21, 2026 · 58m
Summary
Bloomberg’s Mark Gurman joins Decoder to analyze Apple’s first event under CEO John Ternus, highlighting the debut of the foldable iPhone Duo and a strategic pivot toward AI. The discussion covers the massive executive turnover at Apple, including Tim Cook’s transition to Executive Chairman and the departure of Phil Schiller, as the company reshapes its leadership structure. Gurman also details upcoming AI-native hardware, such as smart home hubs and smart glasses, while addressing the contentious lawsuit against OpenAI and the implications of Jony Ive’s new role in the AI hardware landscape.
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Introduction and guest Mark Gurman
Nostalgia for surprise at Apple events
John Ternus's leadership style vs Tim Cook
Apple's safe strategy and AI limitations
Rehashing Apple Intelligence features
Upcoming AI-native devices and wearables
Eras of Apple: Jobs, Cook, and community
iPhone Duo launch and Vision Pro failure
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The succession plan and executive retirements
Tim Cook's 'Hotel California' strategy
Phil Schiller's departure and new era
Company structure and culture changes
Johny Ive's exit and Apple Silicon
Leadership hierarchy and retention issues
Apple's AI strategy and Google partnership
OpenAI lawsuit and device competition
Johny Ive's new venture and AI interfaces
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AirPods camera and visual intelligence
Privacy concerns and smart glasses
Apple Watch features and camera limitations
Social backlash and ambient listening
Prediction: Foldables as the new normal
Ternus's legacy and next centerpiece
Outro and show credits
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