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Annoying Partners, Aging Parents, Impossible Coworkers: Buddhist Advice for Conflict, Communication, and "Patience with Teeth" | devon and nico hase

Sep 30, 2026 · 1h 12m

Summary

Dan Harris interviews Buddhist teachers Devin and Nico Haza about their book, "This Messy Gorgeous Love," which applies mindfulness to managing conflict in all relationships. They discuss the concept of "dukkha" as inherent friction, offering practices like three-way listening and the Brahmaviharas to transform disputes into opportunities for growth. The couple shares personal stories, including a near-fatal van mishap, to illustrate how meditation fosters resilience and healthy rupture rather than perfection.

Topics discussed

Introduction and guest background The collaborative process of writing the book Applying partnership principles to all relationships The First Noble Truth: Dukkha and impermanence Suffering as a feature of intimacy The three directions of mindful listening Meditation practices for self and partner Relational mindfulness and external listening Sponsor segments: 10% App and Quince Critique of individualism and the Brahma Viharas Defining friendliness, equanimity, and joy Joy, death, and the mother of beauty The Five Remembrances and impermanence Shadow sides of Buddhist practice and conflict Story: The van nearly driven off a cliff Identifying the three conflict styles Sponsor segments: Prime Video, Wayfair, Zazzle Spaciousness, bounce-back, and the 3-year retreat Sponsor segments: Odu and Mohonk Mountain House Volcanoes, Diplomats, and Dodgers: Conflict styles Practical tools: Checking in and RAIN Patience with teeth vs. the trance of nice Walking the high wire: Balance in conflict Case study: Resolving a workplace conflict Conclusion and call to action
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