Annoying Partners, Aging Parents, Impossible Coworkers: Buddhist Advice for Conflict, Communication, and "Patience with Teeth" | devon and nico hase
Sep 30, 2026 · 1h 12m
Summary
Dan Harris interviews Buddhist teachers Devin and Nico Haza about their book, "This Messy Gorgeous Love," which applies mindfulness to managing conflict in all relationships. They discuss the concept of "dukkha" as inherent friction, offering practices like three-way listening and the Brahmaviharas to transform disputes into opportunities for growth. The couple shares personal stories, including a near-fatal van mishap, to illustrate how meditation fosters resilience and healthy rupture rather than perfection.
Topics discussed
Introduction and guest background
The collaborative process of writing the book
Applying partnership principles to all relationships
The First Noble Truth: Dukkha and impermanence
Suffering as a feature of intimacy
The three directions of mindful listening
Meditation practices for self and partner
Relational mindfulness and external listening
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Critique of individualism and the Brahma Viharas
Defining friendliness, equanimity, and joy
Joy, death, and the mother of beauty
The Five Remembrances and impermanence
Shadow sides of Buddhist practice and conflict
Story: The van nearly driven off a cliff
Identifying the three conflict styles
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Spaciousness, bounce-back, and the 3-year retreat
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Volcanoes, Diplomats, and Dodgers: Conflict styles
Practical tools: Checking in and RAIN
Patience with teeth vs. the trance of nice
Walking the high wire: Balance in conflict
Case study: Resolving a workplace conflict
Conclusion and call to action
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