Curating the Canon, with Gilbert Cruz
Summary
Hosts Jeff O'Neill and Rebecca Shinsky interview Gilbert Cruz, the New York Times' first Canon Editor, about defining literary canons in the age of AI and influencers. They discuss the methodology behind the Times' recent list of the 50 best thrillers of the 21st century, which aggregates votes from hundreds of experts rather than relying solely on critics. The conversation explores the tension between authoritative curation and democratic discovery, highlighting how data-driven lists can validate genre fiction while offering readers diverse entry points for cultural engagement.
Topics discussed
Sponsors and podcast anniversaries
Introduction of Gilbert Adler and the thriller list
Defining canon and the role of criticism
Sponsor segments: Same Boat, Vault Comics, Bull & Branch
Expertise vs. influencers and the value of lists
Methodology: Polling experts and data journalism
Genre definitions and surprising inclusions like The Goldfinch
Voter selection, bias, and voting for oneself
Sponsor segments: Quince and Tidy Cats
Cohesive lists and tracing literary influence
Why thrillers? Adaptability and screen presence
Academic resistance, future updates, and closing
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