Host Alex discusses illusionism with philosopher Keith Frankish, who argues that while conscious experiences like pain are real, our intuitive view of them as private, non-physical qualia is an illusion. Frankish explains that consciousness consists of complex, evolved functional processes and introspective monitoring rather than mysterious inner properties. He uses the example of a patient regaining sight to illustrate how perceptual significance is learned, not passively received. The conversation also addresses philosophical zombies, suggesting that if a being is physically identical to …