What Now? with Trevor Noah What Now? with Trevor Noah

RIP… D.E.I. with Ruha Benjamin

Feb 13, 2025

Summary

Trevor Noah interviews Princeton professor and MacArthur Fellow Ruha Benjamin, who critiques DEI as a superficial placeholder and argues that "black faces in high places" do not fix rotten systems. They discuss her suspension for supporting pro-Palestine protests, the failure of universities to foster genuine dialogue, and the need for abolitionist approaches to education. Benjamin advocates for reimagining institutions to prioritize community and accountability over rigid conformity and exclusion.

Topics discussed

Sponsors and intro banter Ruha Benjamin's background and the 'amateur' identity Critique of DEI and performative inclusion in institutions Ruha's probation, activism, and the role of universities University failures, free speech, and the Israel-Palestine conflict Understanding Trump voters and the psychology of borders School discipline, exclusion, and the Finnish education model Imagining alternatives to hierarchy and national identity AI bias, labor exploitation, and environmental costs Data-driven solutions vs. systemic bias in justice and health Free speech, power dynamics, and building liberatory futures
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