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Eddie Fishman: Understanding Iran

Jun 11, 2026

Summary

Trevor Noah and Eugene Lee speak with former State Department official Eddie Fishman about the complexities of US-Iran relations and nuclear proliferation. They discuss the failure of sanctions, the risks of military escalation, and the paradox that nations without nuclear weapons often fare worse than those with them. The conversation also highlights historical near-misses, such as Stanislav Petrov’s decision to prevent accidental nuclear war, underscoring the precarious nature of global security.

Topics discussed

Intro and Verizon sponsorship Personal anecdotes: Fashion and Father's Day Introduction of guest Eddie Yardeni and geopolitical context Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and Iran's history Risks of nuclear proliferation and North Korea Stanislav Petrov and the 1983 false alarm incident ICBM mechanics and economic warfare via the Strait of Hormuz The petrodollar, sanctions, and global economic choke points Nuclear deterrence, authoritarian regimes, and humor Iran's nuclear capabilities and succession politics US foreign policy failures: Iraq, Syria, and Russia Diplomacy, personal relationships, and the Trump administration Humanizing adversaries and US-Canada relations Global perception of the US and alternative payment systems Iconic World Cup moments: Baggio, Messi, and Suarez Outro and final sponsorships
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