Cleo Abram: What Could Go Right?
Feb 5, 2026
Summary
Trevor Noah interviews Eugene Kim, creator of the YouTube channel *Huge If True*, about his mission to counter media pessimism with optimistic, visually stunning explainers. They discuss how Kim’s background in law and journalism shaped his belief that understanding complex topics like AI and quantum computing empowers public participation. The conversation also covers the technical and security challenges of mobile voting, highlighting why digital elections remain difficult to implement securely.
Topics discussed
Intro: Aliens and show opening
Sponsors and banter with Eugene
Meeting Zoran Mamdani and his philosophy
Eugene's background and Vox career
The danger of pessimism and helplessness
Huge If True: AI and optimistic futures
The case against online voting
Sponsors and the value of curiosity
Aliens, Spirit Boxes, and first contact
Science communication and CERN
The physics of curling and ice
Quantum mechanics and the Big Bang
Separating self-worth from work
Trevor's journey to independence
Comedy, art, and human potential
Conclusion and final thoughts
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