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Better in Person Podcast | How Gary Gulman Turned Depression Into Comedy Gold

Oct 14, 2026 · 8m

Summary

Comedian Gary Goldman joins Trevor Noah to discuss how basketball helped him recover from depression, sharing stories of his past with a cruel coach and the joy of rediscovering the sport. The pair also explore Goldman's creative process, as he reveals a notebook filled with joke ideas and walks through a bit about microwaves and toast that highlights the dark humor of capitalism.

Topics discussed

Introduction to Better in Person and guest Gary Gulman Playing basketball in Harlem and its mental health benefits Gary's past: switching from basketball to college football Rediscovering the joy of basketball after depression Show and tell: Gary's joke notebook and collage Breaking down the 'Microwave Toast' joke structure The 'Bathtub Suicides' punchline and its dark humor Refining the joke: despair as a market opportunity Closing remarks and mutual appreciation
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