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The Cheap Money Era Isn't Coming Back

Sep 30, 2026 · 25m

Summary

Mary Harris discusses rising interest rates with economist Justin Wolfers, who explains that the Federal Reserve’s recent hike signals a shift away from the era of cheap money. Wolfers attributes the rate increases to a surge in loan demand driven by massive government deficits, AI infrastructure spending, and inflation from the Iran war and tariffs. He argues that while the Fed is making defensible choices to combat inflation, the primary economic threats stem from the Trump administration’s fiscal and trade policies. The episode also promotes a live show in Richmond, Virginia, where Harri…

Topics discussed

Announcement of live show in Richmond, Virginia Trump's push for cheap money vs. Fed rate hike Justin Wolfers joins to discuss interest rate signals Economic readiness for rising interest rates Historical context: From Ghostbusters era to 2008 Global factors: Bond markets, deficits, and Iran war Explaining bond markets using the apple analogy Three drivers of rising rates: Govt, future deficits, AI Slate Plus pledge drive promotion Is the economy too hot? Divergence in data and perception How rate hikes cool inflation and impact jobs Policy errors: Tariffs, war, and internal economic threats Political timing of Fed decisions before midterms Assessing Kevin Warsh and Fed independence Significance of the unanimous Fed vote Credits and sign-off
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