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The Fascist Threat Brewing in…Kansas?

Sep 23, 2026 · 29m

Summary

Host Mary Harris discusses the political backpedaling on trans rights, sparked by AOC’s "woke one was crazy" comment. She interviews Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist M. Gons, who details the "denationalization" of trans people in Kansas, where new laws invalidated driver's licenses and restricted bathroom access. Gons compares these exclusionary tactics to historical fascist measures, arguing that vague political strategies fail to protect vulnerable communities. The conversation explores the tension between strategic compromise and moral clarity in the ongoing fight for civil rights.

Topics discussed

Intro and What Next Plus membership pledge drive AOC's 'woke one was crazy' comment and political discourse Democratic strategy and the impact of anti-trans ads Kansas driver's license law and the concept of denationalization Historical parallels to Nazi Germany and identity documents Bathroom bills, private lawsuits, and personal stories The trap of compliance and state interest in identification Defining fascism in the context of trans exclusion Why the report focused on adults, not minors or sports Political ambiguity and the strategy of 'not taking a stand' Closing credits and show production team
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