How to survive a flop
Summary
Host Jon Lin and guest Spencer Kornhaber explore the modern phenomenon of the "flop," analyzing why artists like Lizzo and Katy Perry struggle to replicate past success in a shifted attention economy. They discuss how social media metrics and viral culture have redefined popularity, making failures more public and personal. The episode also features Dan Wilson, who reflects on his hit "Closing Time" and his successful transition to writing for other artists, offering perspective on resilience and reinvention in the music industry.
Topics discussed
Sponsors: Biior and SAP Grow
Introduction: The rise of the 'flop era' in music
Defining a flop: Ambition vs. Reality
How TikTok changed the attention economy
Streaming metrics and the confusion of popularity
Celebrity empathy and redemption arcs
Sponsors: Talkiatry and Found
Why good songs flop: Timing and luck
Case study: Katy Perry's career trajectory
Songs that aged well and behind-the-scenes pivots
Sponsors: ElevenLabs and Masterclass
Interview: Dan Wilson on 'Closing Time'
Dan Wilson's transition to songwriting for others
The true feeling of success and show credits
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