The Real Origin of CIA Psychic Spying & The Missing UFO Tapes | Greg Mallozzi
Oct 11, 2026 · 2h 28m
Summary
This episode explores the life of parapsychologist Andre Puharich, focusing on his controversial channeling of "The Nine" and his pivotal, often overlooked role in establishing early remote viewing programs for the CIA. The host discusses the duality of Puharich’s work, contrasting genuine consciousness research with intelligence-driven espionage, while analyzing the influence of figures like Uri Geller and John Lilly. The conversation also covers the host’s new podcast, "The Nine Tapes," which releases raw channeling recordings, and reflects on the complex, often murky lineage of psychic s…
Topics discussed
Intro: Instagram ads and the 'Bull Spend' concept
Setting the stage: The Aether Ship film and John Lilly
Defining the core question: Non-human intelligence vs. manipulation
Introduction to Andre Puharich and his psychic research
Skepticism vs. open-mindedness regarding UFO claims
Puharich's role in remote viewing and SRI connections
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Uri Geller, the Nine, and the 'Forbidden Journals' book
Personal anecdote: Psychic thought implantation experiment
John Lilly's involvement and the 'Sacred Mushroom' era
Analyzing Puharich's tapes: Esoteric vs. Intelligence work
The danger of attaching to unverified narratives
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Historical context: Mead Lane and Theosophical roots
Early channeling of the Nine and spiritual planes
The Aether Ship: Willard Van Doren and CARE organization
Valerie Ransone: A key figure in UFO history
Willard's cosmic synth art and the 1978 performance
Investigating Valerie Ransone's intelligence connections
Jacques Vallée's presence and the recorded performance
Documentation: Phone recordings and Vallée's journals
The 'Space Kids' program and filtering of subjects
Valerie Ransone's disappearance and agency assets
Using frequency and sound to alter consciousness
Close Encounters of the Third Kind and Vallée's influence
The 'Dog Whistle' technology and attracting craft
Mainstream disclosure expectations vs. reality
Willard's later life: Video art and fashion
Mankind Research Foundation and CIA ties
Film release details and final thoughts on Willard
Trevor James Constable and the Cosmic Pulse of Life
Orgone energy devices and strange footage
Ray Stanford and infrared film photography
Specific lenses and the debate on space junk
Personal experiment: Helicopter sighting and constellations
Conclusion: The endless labyrinth of UFO research
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