The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe The Way I Heard It with Mike Rowe

504: Victor Davis Hanson—The Counter Revolution

Sep 22, 2026 · 1h 34m

Summary

Mike Rowe interviews Victor Davis Hanson, a classicist and raisin farmer, to discuss his new book, The Counter Revolution. They explore the disconnect between academic elites and the skilled working class, arguing that practical trades foster a vital American confidence that higher education increasingly lacks. Hanson also critiques the hollowing out of Ivy League institutions and analyzes how Trump’s populist message successfully bridged class divides by prioritizing the middle class over racial identity.

Topics discussed

Introduction and reunion with Victor Davis Hanson Hanson's unique blend of academic and farmer perspectives The dual identity of intellectual and raisin farmer Urgency to read and share Hanson's new book California's dire straits and statistical evidence Sponsor segment: Good Ranchers and American meat Milestone: 500th episode and spontaneous conversation House maintenance and the grandfather's legacy Primal skills: waterproofing and foundation work Technological advancement vs. practical ignorance Converting a horse manger into a studio Disinterested professors and the college experience The value of hands-on knowledge over degrees Grandfather's wisdom and the first raisin crop loss Fresno State basketball and Tarakanian Sponsor segment: ACE scholarships and tax credits Sponsor segment: Education Freedom and transparency Stanford's academic environment and stress Silicon Valley students and remedial math Shrinking 18-year-old cohort and skilled trades Grade inflation and the hollowing of Ivy League Father's WWII service and B-29 missions Brother's biology PhD and family dynamics Wiring the dehydrator and Samuel Johnson quote Riding in a used Bell van and childhood lessons Heroes like Joe Rogan and wisdom vs. degrees 400,000 open jobs in the defense industrial base Fear of the middle class and Japanese gardeners Working class interactions and driving to LA Mechanical aptitude and apocalyptic confidence Rabid coyotes, pit bulls, and water disputes Tocqueville's view on American property ownership German mechanics and winning WWII Russian bolt actions and T-34 tanks Trump's 2016 prediction and middle class solidarity Black truck drivers and Hispanic electricians Populist nationalist message and tax on tips Trump's office visit and blue suit anecdote Trump's appearance and lack of hay bales Sponsor segment: Camel City Mill socks Trump's comfort and the McDonald's stunt Trump as a builder and Nietzschean figure Never Trumpers and campaign spending Potential endorsement of El Said Dislike of Israel and Jews Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson calls Lunch with a prominent Never Trumper Intense dislike and feeling betrayed CNN show preemption and Donald Trump business Autograph bathrobe and $38,000 auction Steve Bannon, Elon Musk, and Michael Cohen Transactional nature and The Art of the Deal Most important quality in a great employee Sponsor segment: ZipRecruiter Mocking a reporter and daughter's reaction John McCain's 'crazies' comment and subtext Media as political movement and family debate FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton, and Stormy Daniels Recruit shortages and vaccination policies Gas, oil, border, and violent crime lows Aspen fire, high-speed rail, and delays California political establishment and ruined lives Raiding the president's house and stickers Steele dossier, Hunter's laptop, and hatred Damnatio memoriae and statues coming down French revolutionaries and renaming days Immigrants and historical knowledge Hagia Sophia and Turkish wealth John McCain and Obama radio correction Marquis of Queensberry rules and Lee Atwater Reagan, Bush, and winning ugly Closing remarks and book promotion
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