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The life-changing magic of touching stuff

Jul 7, 2026 · 34m

Summary

David Pierce interviews Ian Bogost about his book *The Small Stuff*, which argues that modern convenience has caused a loss of sensory connection to the physical world. Bogost suggests finding "gratification" in small tactile interactions rather than rejecting technology entirely, distinguishing his view from "friction maxing." The episode also covers Microsoft layoffs, new Nothing earbuds, and FCC broadband fee regulations.

Topics discussed

Introduction to Ian Bogost and his book The Small Stuff Tech news: Microsoft layoffs, Meta, Nothing earbuds, and ISPs Sponsors: Indeed and Duracell The loss of sensory texture: Physical vs. digital tickets Communing with objects and the concept of gratification Dematerialization beyond smartphones: Faucets and appliances Finding joy in mundane objects and overcoming digital compulsion Efficiency vs. difficulty: Why we shouldn't reject convenience Sponsors: Shopify, Superhuman, Rippling, and Granola ASMR, social media, and finding gratification in digital spaces AI, automation, and the value of the creative process Capitalism, happiness, and the surplus of sensory encounters Ian Bogost's DIY smart doorbell project Outro and listener engagement
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