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#883: How to Legalize Medical Psychedelics in Your Country — Tania de Jong on The Playbook Behind Australia's World-First Breakthrough

Sep 18, 2026 · 2h 12m

Summary

Tim Ferriss interviews Tanya DeYoung, co-founder of Mind Medicine Australia, on how she and her husband led the campaign that made Australia the first country to legally prescribe MDMA and psilocybin for psychiatric conditions. DeYoung details their strategy, which included building a global advisory panel, training clinicians, and mobilizing over 13,000 public submissions to pressure regulators. The episode covers the personal and political hurdles they faced, highlighting how their persistence and strategic alliances with key scientists ultimately shifted national policy.

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