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210. Andy Burnham: My Relationship With Starmer, Brexit Lies and Emotion in Politics

Oct 11, 2026 · 1h 14m

Summary

Andy Burnham, now Prime Minister, discusses his pragmatic approach to closer EU integration, confirming Russian interference in the 2016 Brexit referendum. He outlines plans for increased defense spending, AI safety leadership via the G20, and social care reforms funded by adjusting the triple lock. Burnham also reflects on the failure of the Starmer project, emphasizing a new political focus on devolution, national control, and honest problem-solving to restore public confidence.

Topics discussed

Intro, sponsor reads, and episode preview Sponsor segments for IG, Tremfya, and Zepbound Andy Burnham on faith, guilt, and early political career Emotional leadership and resilience in office Reassessing Brexit and closer integration with Europe UK direction, Russian interference, and global positioning Balancing US, China, and Canada; standing for values Defense spending, national security, and social security AI revolution, global standards, and UK presidency Triple lock, social care reform, and education UK business environment, growth, and innovation Reflections on Starmer's failure and new political approach By-elections, Nigel Farage, and the need for new politics Sponsor segments for Trimfya and Anthropic Cabinet priorities, control, and devolution strategy Manchester City scandal and UAE investment separation Sovereignty, middle powers, and the 'tripod' strategy Reaction to US public executions and UK values Reviewing the 10-point plan: constitution to net zero Panel discussion: Burnham's leadership, AI, and timelines Closing sponsor segments for Edward Jones and Anthropic
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