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Zombies Need Air Conditioning, Too | Interview: Thomas Chatterton Williams 

Aug 31, 2026 · 1h 16m

Summary

Jonah Goldberg interviews Thomas Chatterton Williams in Paris about cultural differences regarding air conditioning and the rise of France’s far-right. They discuss the tension between France’s multi-ethnic global image and its nationalist politics, noting that social friction stems more from Islam than race. The conversation also covers the J.R. Day scandal at Cambridge, highlighting institutional failures and the policing of speech in elite circles.

Topics discussed

Introduction and European vs American views on heat Cultural differences on air conditioning and discomfort Race relations and the French national team The rise of the far-right and Marine Le Pen Islamophobia and radicalization in France Assimilation, social circles, and interracial marriage Accent hierarchies and language politics The 'Woke' debate and moral panics The R. Day scandal and academic integrity Carrie Green and double standards in academia Truth-telling and political credibility Christopher Nolan's Odyssey and historical accuracy Nolan's filmmaking style and Tenet Zombie novels and apocalyptic fiction American figures beloved in France Climate change adaptation and final thoughts
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