Bernie Sanders and Erin Brockovich Take on Data Centers
Aug 18, 2026 · 53m
Summary
David Remnick interviews Senator Bernie Sanders and activist Erin Brockovich about the growing national backlash against AI data centers. Sanders advocates for a federal moratorium to address environmental damage, job displacement, and existential risks, while proposing a sovereign wealth fund to ensure public benefit. Brockovich details grassroots resistance to these facilities’ massive water and energy consumption, highlighting local moratoriums and concerns over non-disclosure agreements signed by officials.
Topics discussed
Introduction: The rise of AI data centers and resource concerns
Sanders on the AI Data Center Moratorium Act and big tech influence
AI risks: Job displacement, privacy, and public oversight proposals
NDAs, local resistance, and the political momentum against data centers
Bon Appétit segment: Plum cheesecake karpatka recipe
Historical context: Internet regulation and generational vs. ideological divides
Michigan elections: Abdul el-Sayed's victory and polling insights
Transition to Erin Brockovich and her background
Erin Brockovich joins the fight: Mapping data center impacts nationwide
Environmental and health impacts: Water usage, noise, and wildlife
Local governance issues: Zoning, NDAs, and community pushback
Corporate accountability: Litigation, tax breaks, and lack of transparency
Future actions: Community organizing and gathering evidence
Conclusion and preview of next week's episode
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