S2 Bonus: Let’s go below the surface with host Ian Urbina
Jul 30, 2025 · 46m
Summary
This episode features a conversation between producer Damon Fairless and journalist Ian Urbina, who discusses the extreme risks and guilt-driven motivation behind his investigative work on the "Outlaw Ocean." They detail Urbina's harrowing experience being kidnapped and beaten by Libyan militias while documenting the EU's outsourced migration control and the brutal detention camps in Tripoli. The discussion also covers his audacious reporting on China's distant-water fishing fleet, where he used message-in-a-bottle tactics to board squid vessels and uncover widespread forced labor and preve…
Topics discussed
Promo for CBC's Agent Layla
Host introduction and meeting Ian Urbina
What drives Ian Urbina to take risks
Early reporting on sex trafficking in Southeast Asia
Investigating the migrant crisis in Libya
The story of Ali, a migrant from Ethiopia
EU complicity and the Libyan Coast Guard
Militia control, forced labor, and ransom
The team's capture and beating in Tripoli
Interrogation and isolation at the black site
Modern parallels: US deportations and global trends
Promo for BBC's I'm Not A Monster
Introduction to the Chinese fishing fleet investigation
Methods for approaching and contacting vessels
Bottle throwing and communicating with crew
The dangerous process of boarding the ships
Conditions aboard: neglect, filth, and surveillance
Forced labor, mortality, and beriberi
Supply chain accountability and industry reckoning
Future investigations for The Yellow Ocean
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