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1108: Secret Podcast: Is Jon Ossoff the One We’ve Been Waiting For?

Aug 22, 2026 · 23m

Summary

JVL and Sarah Longwell critique Darlene Graham’s focus on trans sports in South Carolina, arguing it distracts from critical issues like Taiwan’s chip industry. They discuss Julia Curley’s Atlantic piece about her tenure as a trans CIA analyst under Mike Pence, highlighting her competence and eventual firing due to social media pressure. The hosts debate whether career officials should stay to mitigate Trump’s impact or leave to expose his failures, questioning the long-term consequences of insulating the administration from its own incompetence.

Topics discussed

Sponsors: ChatGPT Work and Indeed Intro, Bulwark events, and book tour updates Darlene Graham's debate gaffe on Taiwan and sports Populist distraction tactics and voter concerns Julia Curley article and Mike Pence's character Meritocracy in the GOP and changing social norms Biden's plea to intelligence staff and Curley's firing Should experts stay to blunt Trump's damage? Sponsors: ChatGPT, Visible, and Midas
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