141. Stage 2 Series: The Heart of Stage 2: Conversations with EFT’s Leading Voices (Special Guests Drs. Marlene Best, Kathryn Rheem, Jim Furrow)
May 27, 2026 · 1h 12m
Summary
Hosts Dr. James Hawkins and Dr. Ryan Reyna interview EFT experts Dr. Jim Furrow, Dr. Catherine Rehm, and Dr. Marlene Best about Stage 2 therapy. They discuss the research behind withdrawal reengagement and pursuer softening, emphasizing the need for therapists to guide clients into experiential contact with fear. The panel highlights how integrating attachment longing with fear creates the necessary momentum for deep emotional change and secure bonding.
Topics discussed
Introduction and guest backgrounds
History of Stage 2 research and development
Withdrawer re-engagement and fear processing
Pursuer softening and the role of longing
Intertwining fear and longing in therapy
Distinguishing Stage 1 and Stage 2 goals
Addressing shame and sadness in withdrawers
Recommended readings and closing remarks
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