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Lawfare Archive: Juliette Kayyem on Dealing with Disasters

Sep 5, 2026 · 49m

Summary

Juliet Kayyem discusses her book *The Devil Never Sleeps*, arguing that disaster management must shift from prevention to consequence minimization. She explores the "paradox of preparedness" and the importance of "right of boom" strategies, using examples like the Y2K bug, the Challenger disaster, and the Suez Canal blockage. Kayyem emphasizes that accepting the inevitability of crises allows leaders to focus on stopping cascading losses and avoiding "stupid deaths" through better communication and fail-safe planning.

Topics discussed

Sponsors: Paylocity, Temptations, and Ground News Introduction: Juliet Kayyam and her book on disaster management The 'Boom' framework: Left vs. Right of Boom investments Consequence minimization and avoiding 'stupid deaths' The paradox of preparedness and the Y2K example Communication failures: Challenger, Russia, and Ukraine Sponsors: Bill, Lisa Mattress, Bombas, AT&T, and Granger Fukushima: Planning for failure vs. perfect safety narratives Super Bowl 47 and tabletop exercises for crisis response Sponsors: Rinse and Liquid I.V. Global supply chains and the Ever Given Suez Canal incident Conclusion: Allocating resources for inevitable crises
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