Lawfare Archive: David Frum on 'Trumpocalypse'
Sep 13, 2026 · 45m
Summary
In this 2020 Lawfare Podcast episode, host Benjamin Wittes interviews David Frum, former George W. Bush speechwriter and author of *Trumpocalypse*. They discuss the post-Trump political landscape, arguing that the GOP must abandon its strategy of shrinking the electorate to compete effectively in a democratic system. Frum outlines a conservative vision for rebuilding American institutions, including strengthening civil service protections to prevent political interference in law enforcement and public health. The conversation also addresses controversial immigration reforms aimed at restori…
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Sponsors: Walden University, Quo, and Ground News
Introduction: Trump's remarks and the 2020 archive episode
Discussion of 'Trumpocalypse' and the 2020 election outcome
Rebuilding democracy and addressing anti-democratic culture
Electoral strategy: Expanding the electorate vs. narrowing it
Statehood for Puerto Rico and DC and voting rights
Protecting government institutions and depoliticizing bureaucracy
Reforming the Justice Department and US Attorney appointments
Sponsors: Gusto, DeleteMe, and Num
Sponsors: HeyGen and Wise
Conservative critique of career bureaucracy and Bill Barr
Foreign service officers and the culture of public service
Immigration policy: Enforcement, family reunification, and asylum
Addressing populist demands and the lesson of the New Deal
Post-Trump reconciliation and the justice vs. democracy dilemma
Outro, Ground News recap, and Regen MD sponsor
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