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Lawfare Archive: David Frum on 'Trumpocalypse'

Sep 13, 2026 · 45m

Summary

In this 2020 Lawfare Podcast episode, host Benjamin Wittes interviews David Frum, former George W. Bush speechwriter and author of *Trumpocalypse*. They discuss the post-Trump political landscape, arguing that the GOP must abandon its strategy of shrinking the electorate to compete effectively in a democratic system. Frum outlines a conservative vision for rebuilding American institutions, including strengthening civil service protections to prevent political interference in law enforcement and public health. The conversation also addresses controversial immigration reforms aimed at restori…

Topics discussed

Sponsors: Walden University, Quo, and Ground News Introduction: Trump's remarks and the 2020 archive episode Discussion of 'Trumpocalypse' and the 2020 election outcome Rebuilding democracy and addressing anti-democratic culture Electoral strategy: Expanding the electorate vs. narrowing it Statehood for Puerto Rico and DC and voting rights Protecting government institutions and depoliticizing bureaucracy Reforming the Justice Department and US Attorney appointments Sponsors: Gusto, DeleteMe, and Num Sponsors: HeyGen and Wise Conservative critique of career bureaucracy and Bill Barr Foreign service officers and the culture of public service Immigration policy: Enforcement, family reunification, and asylum Addressing populist demands and the lesson of the New Deal Post-Trump reconciliation and the justice vs. democracy dilemma Outro, Ground News recap, and Regen MD sponsor
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