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How Does Touch Lead To Pain Or Pleasure?

Aug 6, 2026 · 55m

Summary

Hosts Jenna Levin and Steve Strogatz interview neuroscientist Ishmael Abdusabour about the biology of pain and touch. They discuss molecular receptors like TRPV1, the ethics of animal research, and the distinction between nociception and conscious pain. Abdusabour also explains how gentle social touch activates reward pathways, offering potential therapies for stress and anxiety.

Topics discussed

Introduction to Ishmael Abdusabour and his childhood fascination with animals From molecular biology to sensory neuroscience and the study of touch Defining pain vs. nociception and the debate on animal consciousness Distinguishing physical pain from psychological and emotional suffering Specialized sensory neurons for pain, itch, and touch identified by gene expression Ethical considerations in animal research and the necessity of current models Translating rodent findings to human therapies and chronic pain relief The brain's opioid system and how context modulates pain perception The soothing power of gentle touch and optogenetics in neural research Naked mole rats: pain insensitivity, longevity, and complex social structures How social context and the orbitofrontal cortex determine if touch feels good Bridging neuroscience and psychology to understand consciousness and interiority
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