The Iran Breakdown with Mark Dubowitz The Iran Breakdown with Mark Dubowitz

After Iran: Is Erdogan’s Turkey the Middle East’s Next Great Threat? (feat. Steven A. Cook and Jonathan Schanzer)

Aug 20, 2026 · 1h 2m

Summary

Host Mark Dubowitz joins experts Stephen Cook and John Schanzer to analyze Turkey’s rise as a revisionist power filling the void left by a weakening Iran. They discuss Erdogan’s fusion of nationalism and Islamism, his support for Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood, and Turkey’s aggressive regional expansion. The panel debates whether Turkey poses a greater long-term strategic threat to Israel than Iran and questions its continued suitability as a NATO ally.

Topics discussed

Introduction and guest backgrounds Turkey's regional power projection and Abraham Accords Turkey-Iran relations and the Mecca agreement Turkey's support for Hamas and Islamist movements Nuance on Erdogan: Ideologue vs. Pragmatist National View ideology and Muslim Brotherhood ties Erdogan's relationship with Egypt and the Arab Spring Is Turkey becoming the next Iran? Turkish military presence in Syria, Iraq, and Gaza Israeli security concerns and US policy challenges Turkey's NATO membership and S-400 controversy Turkey's ambiguous relationship with Russia Lightning round: Turkey as a strategic threat Turkey's stance on Iran's survival and Syria Turkey's nuclear ambitions and defense industry Future of Turkey: Can the regime be reversed? Social Islamization and domestic backlash Post-Erdogan scenarios and conclusion
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