She’s Been to Gaza. She Met With the Iranians. Now She Has a Warning.
Oct 10, 2026 · 42m
Summary
Lulu Garcia-Navarro interviews Mirjana Spojadic, the first female president of the International Committee of the Red Cross, about the escalating global crisis of armed conflicts. Spojadic argues that the world is living in a "decade of war" where leaders increasingly ignore the Geneva Conventions, citing the severe humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the complex, interconnected nature of modern conflicts. She emphasizes the critical importance of neutrality and confidentiality for the ICRC to operate effectively in dangerous zones, while criticizing the erosion of diplomatic language and the f…
Topics discussed
Sponsorship and introduction to the guest
Overview of the ICRC and the Geneva Conventions
Rising global conflicts and the need for rules of war
The nature of war and the risk of World War III
Personal experiences visiting conflict zones
Humanitarian crisis and double standards in Gaza
Hostage negotiations and ICRC access challenges
Detention conditions and the importance of information
The psychological impact of war on soldiers
Personal history and motivation for peacework
Gender perspective in leading the ICRC
Managing emotional toll and personal resilience
The necessity of neutrality and confidentiality
Complexity of modern conflicts and economic fallout
Erosion of diplomatic language and political will
Losing the capacity to resolve conflicts
The fragility of the post-WWII international order
Rebuilding a global narrative of peace
Credits and upcoming episode preview
Sponsor message from Viking
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