The Indicator from Planet Money The Indicator from Planet Money

How your phone keeps you scrolling ... even when you want to stop

Jun 19, 2026 · 9m

Summary

This episode explores the psychology behind social media addiction, drawing parallels to casino slot machines. Guest Michaelene Duclef explains four design features—solitude, bottomlessness, speed, and personalized algorithms—that create a trance-like "dark flow" state. The discussion highlights how these elements hack human attention and offers practical tips, like removing phones from immediate reach, to help users regain control.

Topics discussed

Intro: Tech trials and social media addiction Sponsor: Capella University Casino history: The rise of digital gambling Ingredient 1 & 2: Solitude and Bottomlessness Ingredient 3: Speed and infinite scroll Ingredient 4: Personalized algorithms and dopamine Dark flow vs. positive flow states Strategies to break the addiction cycle Credits and production team Sponsors: Capella University and Charles Schwab
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