It's come to this: Human certification in the age of AI slop
May 20, 2026 · 9m
Summary
Novelist Ned Hayes founded Human Intelligence to certify human-made art amid rising AI concerns, inspired by his background in tech standards. The episode details how the company verifies creators by analyzing draft metadata, featuring musician Corin Tucker as an early adopter. Hosts Darian Woods and Waylon Wong also undergo the verification process to demonstrate the system's rigor.
Topics discussed
Intro: Ned Hayes and the challenge of AI art
Sponsors: Dataiku, Charles Schwab, Tiny Desk
Ned Hayes' background in tech standards and XML
Inspiration for a 'human-made' certification standard
Building Human Intelligence and its verification process
Early skepticism and the concept of 'AI slop'
Case study: Corin Tucker's certification process
Business model and audience willingness to pay more
Growth of sign-ups and competing certifications
Hosts attempt to verify their own episode as human-made
Credits, NPR support appeal, and Up First promo
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