The Gray Area with Sean Illing The Gray Area with Sean Illing

How to be less neurotic

Sep 7, 2026 · 39m

Summary

Sean Illing revisits a conversation with Olga Kazan, author of "Me, But Better," to explore the science and promise of personality change. They discuss the Big Five traits, the role of neuroticism in anxiety, and practical strategies like meditation and improv for intentional self-improvement. Kazan shares her year-long experiment to alter her own personality, emphasizing that while traits are stable, small behavioral tweaks and mindset shifts can lead to meaningful, lasting change.

Topics discussed

Sponsorships: Monday.com and Bombas Introduction to Olga Kazan and her book Defining personality and the role of performance The Big 5 personality traits and their limitations Olga's personal motivation for changing her personality Understanding neuroticism, anxiety, and uncertainty The complexities of agreeableness and boundaries Challenges of meditation and reducing neuroticism Personality traits correlated with happiness Sponsorships: Bombas, Indeed, and Deepgram Is personality fixed at age 30? Natural changes Intentional personality change and genetic factors Behavioral changes and the 'fake it till you make it' approach The impact of improv classes on extroversion Sponsorships: Fetch Pet Insurance and The Guardian Knowing when to stop trying to change Practical interventions and the ACT acronym The importance of believing in personal agency Closing remarks and final sponsorships
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