The Gray Area with Sean Illing The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Kidneys for sale

Aug 24, 2026 · 49m

Summary

Guest host Brian Walsh speaks with Nobel laureate Al Roth about his book *Moral Economics*, exploring controversial markets like kidney sales and drug legalization. Roth argues that banning certain transactions, such as paying for kidneys, causes unnecessary deaths and suggests regulated compensation could save lives. The discussion also covers the ethics of gambling, prediction markets, and future moral debates surrounding AI consciousness.

Topics discussed

Pepsi Zero Sugar ad The kidney transplant waiting list crisis Defining markets and repugnant transactions Examples of repugnance: horse meat and social norms Why heroin is easier to buy than a hitman Kidney failure, dialysis, and living donation The repugnance of paying organ donors Iran's legal kidney market and black markets Donor demographics and income distribution in Iran Designing a US kidney market and cost savings Addressing concerns about coercion and informed consent Sponsors: AG1, Bombas, and Talkiatry Dignity, Kant, and the trade-offs of paid donation Proposed experiment: compensating deceased donors' families Pepsi Zero Sugar ad Drug legalization, addiction, and harm reduction Gambling regulations and prediction markets Insider trading and national security in prediction markets The role of economists and the history of trade Future repugnance: AI rights and animal organs Future trends: drugs, immigration, and show credits
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