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Extra: The War on Terror | Then, Now, and What's Next

Sep 13, 2026 · 24m

Summary

Retired Navy Commander Kirk Lippold, commanding officer of the USS Cole during its 2000 al-Qaeda attack, discusses the intelligence failures that led to the bombing and his chilling 9/11 experience warning the CIA just 20 minutes before the first plane hit the World Trade Center. Lippold argues that the U.S. underestimated the threat of state-sponsored terrorism, particularly from Iran and China, and criticizes the current reduction in military force structure. He advocates for rebuilding the Navy to 360-400 ships, incorporating unmanned systems, and taking a harder stance against adversari…

Topics discussed

Sponsor: JPMorgan Chase Intro: 25th Anniversary of 9/11 Background: USS Cole Attack and Lippold's Warning Show Introduction and Context Recalling the USS Cole Refueling in Yemen Intelligence Failures and Lack of Warnings US Failure to Appreciate Al-Qaeda Threat Sponsor: JPMorgan Chase Iran's Decades of Attacks on US Personnel Holding State Sponsors of Terrorism Accountable Decline in US Military Force Size and Age Need for Larger Navy and Forward Deployment Role of Unmanned Systems in Future Warfare Sponsor: JPMorgan Chase Current Capability to Confront Iran Political Consequences of Inaction on Iran Lippold's 9/11 Experience at CIA Headquarters China as a Strategic Adversary and Proxy Personal Burden and Call for Ruthless Response Assessing the Outcome of the War on Terror Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts Outro and Subscription Info
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