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What is the Democratic Party? What Could It Be?

Jul 28, 2026 · 57m

Summary

Ezra Klein interviews Ben Wickler, former Wisconsin Democratic Party chair, about the party’s identity and strategy following the 2024 election. They discuss how economic anxiety driving voter behavior, the need to rebuild grassroots trust, and the tension between primary contests and general election viability. Wickler argues for a broad-tent approach focused on affordability and effective governance to reconnect with voters who feel politics is disconnected from their daily struggles.

Topics discussed

NY Times App and Games Sponsorship Introduction of Ben Wikler and the 2024 Wisconsin Election Why Kamala Harris Lost Wisconsin: Economy and Voter Sentiment The Democratic Party's Image Problem and Trust Deficit The 'Blob' vs. Local Institutions: Rebuilding Party Connection Primary Reform and the Role of Party Bosses Democratic Unity on Economics vs. Division on Foreign Policy Navigating Deep Divides on Israel and Gaza The 'Reasoning Voter' and How Swing Voters Decide Wisconsin's Central Count System and Election Integrity Wikler's DNC Chair Run and Institutional Challenges Money, Mobilization, and the Scott Walker Loophole How Blue State Voters Can Help Swing States Three Book Recommendations: Caro, Scott, and Sal/Gabby
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