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Ross Douthat: The Exit Interview

Aug 11, 2026 · 1h 13m

Summary

Ezra Klein interviews Ross Douthat as he transitions from The New York Times to 60 Minutes, reflecting on the evolution of media from early blogging to today’s polarized landscape. Douthat discusses his experience writing conservative commentary for liberal audiences and analyzes the Republican Party’s shift from traditional social conservatism to a post-Christian, populist movement under Donald Trump. He contrasts the "national greatness" conservatism of the Bush era with the current right’s embrace of strength and enmity, exploring how declining religiosity has reshaped American political…

Topics discussed

Introduction and Ross Douthat's career transition The rise of political blogging in the early 2000s The conversational nature of early internet discourse Retrospective on the 2008 McCain vs. Obama campaign Writing for liberal audiences and engaging in good faith Sponsor reads for NERTEK and BetterHelp The populist shift in the Republican Party and Trump The decline of Christianity and the rise of the post-religious right Sponsor read for MIDI Health Catholicism's influence and the left's search for spirituality Media bias and Douthat's move to 60 Minutes The future of journalism, AI, and book recommendations
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