The Ezra Klein Show The Ezra Klein Show

How Trump Has Changed, With Maggie Haberman

Jul 31, 2026 · 58m

Summary

Ezra Klein interviews New York Times correspondent Maggie Haberman about her book *Regime Change*, analyzing the chaotic dynamics of Donald Trump’s second term. They discuss Trump’s impulsive decision-making, particularly regarding the Iran war and trade policies, driven by an insular information bubble and a lack of strategic coherence. Haberman highlights how Trump’s administration bypasses traditional norms, leading to unprecedented self-dealing and a fractured relationship with his own political base over issues like the Epstein files.

Topics discussed

Introduction and sponsor message Overview of Trump's first year and DOGE Trump's mindset, revenge, and Iran policy Netanyahu's influence and regime change plans MAGA movement dynamics and Epstein crisis White House operations and information flow Corruption, wealth, and public perception Legal immunity and congressional oversight Truth Social monetization and legislative agenda Immigration strategy and inner circle power Visual governance and the Mamdani meetings Trump's health, legacy projects, and book recommendations
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