The America That’s Still Possible

Ezra Klein interviews Brian Stevenson in Montgomery, Alabama, to discuss the 250th anniversary of America and the need for a holistic national narrative. They explore how the Equal Justice Initiative’s museums integrate the nation’s triumphs with its history of racial violence, arguing that acknowledging past sins is essential for true healing and future progress.

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Sponsorship and introduction Context: Trump administration and American history Montgomery museums and the 250th anniversary The danger of ignoring painful history Confederate monuments and Holocaust comparisons Political corruption of historical narratives Mistakes in science, medicine, and leadership Hope, courage, and the power of sports Alabama's transformation and the bus boycott The moral power of the Civil Rights Movement Integrated history and the slave trade The Middle Passage and human connection Personal stories from Nigeria and the Atlantic False narratives justifying enslavement From Jim Crow to mass incarceration The reality of lynching and its aftermath The psychological burden of bigotry Dehumanization and self-interest in history Personal experiences of segregation and integration Redemption and the death penalty New York Times subscription promotion Founding fathers and the myth of American glory The necessity of confronting darkness Lessons from the Apartheid Museum Germany's reckoning with the Holocaust The absence of reckoning in the US Moving past the past and recognizing humanity Beyond famous figures: the broader story Family stories of literacy and survival Monuments to survival and capacity The horror of separation and dehumanization How to engage with the museum personally How slavery ended: lesser-known heroes The Underground Railroad and moral courage Christianity and the challenge of faith The power of belief and hope Dr. King's challenge to the community Spiritual wealth and moral responsibility New York Times sponsorship and reporting The moral power of non-violence Dr. King's first mass meeting speech The lasting burden of presumption of danger Advocating for the enslaved and their descendants The need for systematic truth and justice Critique of performative diversity efforts Lessons from the Voting Rights Act era Building power and the limits of protest Confession and repair in reconciliation Obama's framing of American belief The left's connection to the community Modern advantages in the struggle for justice Defining American greatness beyond power Wonder, care, and overcoming boundaries The false narrative of strength and stability Beauty in the midst of hardship Community work and the power of generosity Overcoming segregation and boundaries Believing in America and its potential Greatness in the face of terror Closing thoughts and recommended reading

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The America That’s Still Possible

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