How The U.S. Racked Up Its $40 Trillion Debt
Aug 25, 2026 · 1h 20m
Summary
The Dispatch Podcast examines the U.S. national debt surpassing $40 trillion, with host Steve Hayes joined by Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson, and Mike Warren. They analyze how entitlement spending and rising interest rates drive deficits, dismissing the idea of "growing out" of the debt. The panel discusses the political failure to reform Social Security and Medicare, citing Paul Ryan’s past efforts and the current populist resistance in both parties to necessary fiscal changes.
Topics discussed
Introduction: U.S. debt hits $40 trillion
How the U.S. reached $40 trillion in debt
Entitlements, automatic spending, and political incentives
The inevitability of a debt crisis and healthcare costs
Republican virtue and the politics of deficit reduction
Paul Ryan's entitlement reform efforts and backlash
Trump, MAGA, and the rejection of fiscal conservatism
DOGE: Efficiency cuts vs. structural reform
Why you can't run government like a business
Treasury Secretary Bessent on tariffs and growth
Not Worth Your Time: The disappointments of adulthood
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