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How The U.S. Racked Up Its $40 Trillion Debt

Aug 25, 2026 · 1h 20m

Summary

The Dispatch Podcast examines the U.S. national debt surpassing $40 trillion, with host Steve Hayes joined by Jonah Goldberg, Kevin Williamson, and Mike Warren. They analyze how entitlement spending and rising interest rates drive deficits, dismissing the idea of "growing out" of the debt. The panel discusses the political failure to reform Social Security and Medicare, citing Paul Ryan’s past efforts and the current populist resistance in both parties to necessary fiscal changes.

Topics discussed

Introduction: U.S. debt hits $40 trillion How the U.S. reached $40 trillion in debt Entitlements, automatic spending, and political incentives The inevitability of a debt crisis and healthcare costs Republican virtue and the politics of deficit reduction Paul Ryan's entitlement reform efforts and backlash Trump, MAGA, and the rejection of fiscal conservatism DOGE: Efficiency cuts vs. structural reform Why you can't run government like a business Treasury Secretary Bessent on tariffs and growth Not Worth Your Time: The disappointments of adulthood
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