Steven Bartlett interviews Rick Rubin, the legendary producer behind hits for Jay-Z, Adele, and Red Hot Chili Peppers, to explore the philosophy of creativity. Rubin argues that true art requires making "indefensible" choices that defy market expectations, using his work on Kanye West's *Jesus Is King* and Linkin Park as examples of prioritizing personal truth over commercial safety. He emphasizes that creativity is a spiritual practice rooted in meditation and intuition, not data-driven optimization, and encourages listeners to view their lives as ongoing creative acts rather than rigid ca…
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