How to Argue in the Trump Era Without Losing Your Mind
Sep 23, 2026 · 1h 11m
Summary
David Frum opens by condemning a Yom Kippur shooting in Belleville, Ontario, arguing that the "no conflation" narrative is a dangerous lie that fuels anti-Semitic violence. He then interviews Jessica Tarlov, who discusses her new book, *I Disagree*, sharing personal stories of her father’s passing and her role as the liberal voice on Fox News’ *The 5*. The conversation explores strategies for maintaining relationships across political divides, emphasizing listening, humor, and data-driven arguments to navigate polarization without sacrificing core values.
Topics discussed
Sponsor reads and show introduction
Guest and book introductions
Synagogue shooting and changing security landscape
Critique of the 'no conflation' argument
Historical context of Nazi comparisons
Blood libel myths and self-accusation
Anti-Semitism and the October 7 attack
Sponsor segments and transition to interview
Jessica Tarlov's personal loss and background
Family dynamics and 9/11 experiences
Role on The 5 and navigating political divides
Purpose of the book and audience demographics
Strategies for civil disagreement and listening
Case study: The SAVE America Act debate
Media gatekeeping and platforming controversial views
Limits of engagement and the value of reason
The desire to be heard and rational actors
Navigating misinformation and vaccine debates
Climate change communication and closing remarks
Book review: Yesteryear by Carol Clare Burke
Production credits and final sponsor read
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