The David Frum Show The David Frum Show

How to Argue in the Trump Era Without Losing Your Mind

Sep 23, 2026 · 1h 11m

Summary

David Frum opens by condemning a Yom Kippur shooting in Belleville, Ontario, arguing that the "no conflation" narrative is a dangerous lie that fuels anti-Semitic violence. He then interviews Jessica Tarlov, who discusses her new book, *I Disagree*, sharing personal stories of her father’s passing and her role as the liberal voice on Fox News’ *The 5*. The conversation explores strategies for maintaining relationships across political divides, emphasizing listening, humor, and data-driven arguments to navigate polarization without sacrificing core values.

Topics discussed

Sponsor reads and show introduction Guest and book introductions Synagogue shooting and changing security landscape Critique of the 'no conflation' argument Historical context of Nazi comparisons Blood libel myths and self-accusation Anti-Semitism and the October 7 attack Sponsor segments and transition to interview Jessica Tarlov's personal loss and background Family dynamics and 9/11 experiences Role on The 5 and navigating political divides Purpose of the book and audience demographics Strategies for civil disagreement and listening Case study: The SAVE America Act debate Media gatekeeping and platforming controversial views Limits of engagement and the value of reason The desire to be heard and rational actors Navigating misinformation and vaccine debates Climate change communication and closing remarks Book review: Yesteryear by Carol Clare Burke Production credits and final sponsor read
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