Margaret MacMillan says we're not ready for the New World Order
Sep 2, 2026 · 19m
Summary
Historian Margaret MacMillan joins Paul Hunter to discuss her warning that the post-1945 international order is collapsing amid ongoing wars and US isolationism under Donald Trump. She argues that complacency has blinded nations to warning signs, urging middle powers like Canada to band together rather than rely on unstable great powers. MacMillan emphasizes that while global conflict isn't inevitable, rebuilding trust and engaging in local civic responsibility are essential for navigating this new age of disorder.
Topics discussed
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Introduction: Global Disorder and Guest Margaret MacMillan
Defining the New Age of Disorder and US Unpredictability
Ignoring Warning Signs: The 'Dead Rats' Analogy
Complacency and the Illusion of Stability in the West
Why People Ignore Signals Amidst Daily Life Concerns
Rise of Opportunistic Wars and Breaking of International Norms
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Historical Parallels: French and Russian Revolutions
Mark Carney's Vision for Middle Powers Alliance
Instability of Spheres of Influence
US Global Standing Post-Trump and Trust Issues
Addressing Skepticism and Comparisons to Pre-WW Eras
Personal Responsibility and Civic Engagement
Conclusion and Credits
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