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Australia's 'barking mad' bet on nuclear submarines

Sep 17, 2026 · 20m

Summary

The Conversation Weekly examines the five-year anniversary of the AUKUS defense pact, featuring defense analyst Hugh White. The episode explores how the secretive 2021 announcement, which promised nuclear-powered submarines, has evolved into a controversial $368 billion project plagued by delays and skepticism. White discusses the strategic rationale behind the deal, the cancellation of the French submarine contract, and growing doubts about whether the US and UK can deliver the vessels on time. The discussion also highlights the impact of shifting US political dynamics under Donald Trump a…

Topics discussed

Introduction: AUKUS five years later and the sovereignty debate Hugh White recalls the surprise announcement of AUKUS Criticism of the secrecy and lack of expert input The original 2021 deal: vague details and no timeline The $368 billion price tag and emerging doubts Abandoning the French submarine contract and political theater Strategic context: deteriorating security and US alliance Domestic politics: The 2022 election and Labor's support Sponsor break: Jane Austen's Paper Trail podcast Declining public support and delivery challenges Impact of Trump's presidency on the strategic rationale Budget constraints and the cost of nuclear submarines Future risks: Collins class retirement and capability gap Closing remarks and credits
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