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Sarah Matthews and Jason Horowitz: Trump Propaganda and Italian Fascism

Sep 23, 2026 · 1h 10m

Summary

Sarah Matthews explains the White House’s takeover of the press pool and bans on major outlets, while also discussing Texas polls and the GOP’s support for Max Miller. Tim and Jason Horowitz then analyze the parallels between Trump and Silvio Berlusconi, tracing the rise of Italian populism through Beppe Grillo and Matteo Salvini to Giorgia Meloni’s current leadership.

Topics discussed

Sponsor: 2026 Nissan Rogue Welcome and listener email Introducing Sarah Matthews How the White House press pool works Caroline Levitt's changes to pool selection Trump TV and the attack on free press Legal challenges and media bans Texas polls and Maris's accuracy Republican insiders' private views Trump vs. Republican identity polls Cynicism about the GOP and November Sponsor: Ziotics pre-alcohol drink Potential post-Trump GOP candidates Trump naming buildings and tantrums Max Miller and the CLF super PAC Ohio race and Bulwark event promo Sponsor: Proton VPN Jason Horowitz intro and Trump interview Comparing Trump and Berlusconi Berlusconi's media dominance and decline Sponsor: WebMD Health Discovered Sponsor: M&M's Popped Caramel Rise of Italian populism and Five Star Salvini's rise and political style Meloni's background and Hobbit lore Neo-fascist youth and Lord of the Rings Sponsor: WebMD Health Discovered Sponsor: M&M's Popped Caramel Meloni's moderation vs. expectations Italy's conservative baseline and Meloni Meloni and Trump's relationship Berlusconi's legacy and Meloni's path GOP parallels and future possibilities Vatican politics and Pope Leo's election Pope Leo's background and style Pope Leo's growth and Trump's impact Vatican anecdotes and the 'gay lobby' Francis's 'fragagine' and book promo Credits and outro Sponsor: WebMD Health Discovered Sponsor: Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Sponsor: Just Food For Dogs
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