Sarah Matthews and Jason Horowitz: Trump Propaganda and Italian Fascism
Sep 23, 2026 · 1h 10m
Summary
Sarah Matthews explains the White House’s takeover of the press pool and bans on major outlets, while also discussing Texas polls and the GOP’s support for Max Miller. Tim and Jason Horowitz then analyze the parallels between Trump and Silvio Berlusconi, tracing the rise of Italian populism through Beppe Grillo and Matteo Salvini to Giorgia Meloni’s current leadership.
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Welcome and listener email
Introducing Sarah Matthews
How the White House press pool works
Caroline Levitt's changes to pool selection
Trump TV and the attack on free press
Legal challenges and media bans
Texas polls and Maris's accuracy
Republican insiders' private views
Trump vs. Republican identity polls
Cynicism about the GOP and November
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Potential post-Trump GOP candidates
Trump naming buildings and tantrums
Max Miller and the CLF super PAC
Ohio race and Bulwark event promo
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Jason Horowitz intro and Trump interview
Comparing Trump and Berlusconi
Berlusconi's media dominance and decline
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Rise of Italian populism and Five Star
Salvini's rise and political style
Meloni's background and Hobbit lore
Neo-fascist youth and Lord of the Rings
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Meloni's moderation vs. expectations
Italy's conservative baseline and Meloni
Meloni and Trump's relationship
Berlusconi's legacy and Meloni's path
GOP parallels and future possibilities
Vatican politics and Pope Leo's election
Pope Leo's background and style
Pope Leo's growth and Trump's impact
Vatican anecdotes and the 'gay lobby'
Francis's 'fragagine' and book promo
Credits and outro
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