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Islamophobia, Then and Now

Sep 9, 2026 · 24m

Summary

Osma Khalid, a former NPR White House correspondent, discusses her new Atlantic piece arguing that Islamophobia has corroded American values and redefined citizenship. She contrasts the post-9/11 era, when many Americans showed solidarity with Muslim neighbors, with today’s rising vitriol from elected officials who label Islam a political ideology rather than a religion. Listeners share personal experiences of discrimination and shifting identities, while Khalid emphasizes the need for real-life relationships to counter the dehumanization of Muslims in public discourse.

Topics discussed

Intro: 9/11 anniversary and political context Petition against Mayor Mamdani and Giuliani's comments Introducing guest Osma Khalid and her Atlantic piece Discussion on the 'Islam is a political ideology' argument Reflections on the Muslim ban and rising vitriol Indiana Lt. Gov. Beckwith's comments on Islam Call-in segment invitation for Muslim listeners How Islamophobia has corroded American values Caller John on the treatment of Pakistanis post-9/11 Osma Khalid on surveillance and diverse experiences Caller Ishmael on being Black and Muslim post-9/11 Osma Khalid's personal experience and Bush's response Tracing the shift in public sentiment since 2015 Caller Muhammad defends Islam as a religion Osma Khalid's reaction to the 'ideology' debate Caller Kodeeep from India on media portrayal Closing thoughts on digital vs. real-life relationships Outro and sponsorship information
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