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Michael Lewis Has a Warning About the State of Our Soul

Oct 7, 2026 · 22m

Summary

Michael Lewis discusses his new book "Blockers," detailing how nonpartisan civil servants resisted the Trump administration's dismantling of federal agencies. The episode highlights specific stories, including the seizure of the Institute of Peace, the departure of fire scientist Alex Marangitis from NIST, and the breach of IRS privacy protocols by Chief Privacy Officer Kathleen Walters. Lewis argues that these "blockers" protected essential government functions and public trust, illustrating the profound damage caused by the administration's chaotic approach to federal governance.

Topics discussed

Sponsors: Noco Jump Starter and Energy Transfer Introduction to Michael Lewis's book 'Blockers' The transformation of the federal civil service The Institute of Peace and its history Doge's strategy and the seizure of power Co-opting the FBI and DC Police Sponsors: Noco, YouTube Premium, and Stamps.com Why civil servants make compelling characters Alex Marangitis and the science of wildfire The impact of red tape and budget cuts on research The unique role of government in preventive work The IRS ITIN database and privacy concerns Kathleen Walters and the refusal to share data Consequences of data sharing and moral implications Closing remarks and production credits
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