Former Flock Employee Speaks Out: Says He Was ‘Lied To’
Summary
Host Joseph Cox interviews Jonathan Pass, a former Flock government affairs manager and congressional candidate, about the company’s surveillance practices. Pass reveals how Flock misled employees and municipalities about partnerships with ICE while bypassing democratic oversight to install license plate readers. He discusses his internal dissent, the nationwide backlash against the technology, and the urgent need for systemic privacy reforms to protect Fourth Amendment rights.
Topics discussed
Toyota ad and podcast introduction
Intro to Jonathan Pass and Flock background
Flock's public affairs statement
Jonathan's role and Flock's sales process
Jonathan's background and joining Flock
Flock's corporate culture and incentives
Navigating city council meetings and pushback
Police bypassing public scrutiny for contracts
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Truth vs. calming councils and lying by omission
Flock's DHS partnership and ICE data sharing
Siloed information and ICE collaboration
Personal conflict and the rise of anti-Flock movement
Need for federal privacy laws and Fourth Amendment
Critique of surveillance and call for solidarity
Outro and support for 404 Media
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