The hidden power of sad songs and rainy days | Susan Cain and Min Kym
Aug 12, 2026 · 18m
Summary
Author Susan Cain explores the "paradox of tragedy," explaining why we are drawn to sad music and sorrow. She argues that this experience is not sadness but a profound longing for a perfect world, which fuels creativity and empathy. Joined by violinist Min Kim, Cain shares personal stories and historical examples to show how embracing this longing connects us to our deepest humanity.
Topics discussed
Introduction: The paradox of enjoying sad music
Sponsors: Schwab, Dell, and Land Rover Defender
Susan Cain's career shift and discovery of longing
Defining inconsolable longing and bittersweet joy
The paradox of tragedy and cultural avoidance of sorrow
Longing as the source of creativity, empathy, and love
Personal story: Meeting Ken and the power of shared longing
The Cello of Sarajevo and music in times of war
Conclusion: Following your longing to the sacred
Outro, credits, and sponsors: Toyota and ServiceNow
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