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Signals & Levers: Systems Thinking to Navigate Software Delivery Illusions - Elisabeth Hendrickson & Joel Tosi

Aug 3, 2026 · 1h 17m

Summary

Elizabeth Hendriksen and Joel Tosi discuss their book "Signals and Levers," applying systems thinking to software delivery. They debunk illusions of progress and control, emphasizing that software is an adaptive socio-technical system. The episode covers using signals like cycle time over velocity, understanding policy versus culture levers, and employing the CREATE framework to avoid unintended consequences.

Topics discussed

Introduction: The illusion of easy software and guest backgrounds Origin story: How the authors met and decided to write the book The Software Crisis: Historical context and persistent challenges Adaptive Socio-Technical Systems: People, technology, and feedback loops Signals and Levers: Understanding system metrics and influence points Proxy Metrics: The dangers of velocity, story points, and DORA metrics Defining Productivity: Moving beyond output to outcome and context The CREATE Framework: Capacity, Risk, Execution, Adaptability, Trust, Economics Three Illusions: Progress, Predictability, and Control in software delivery AI in Software: Optimizing for learning and avoiding unintended consequences Systems Thinking Tools: U-curves, batch sizes, and contextual decision making Key Takeaways: Leadership advice, book details, and final thoughts
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