Johanna Samuels with Madison Cunningham
Summary
Host Josh Modell interviews musicians Johanna Samuels and Madison Cunningham about their new albums, *Sorry Kid* and *Ace*. The friends discuss the creative process, the pressure of criticism, and the emotional toll of songwriting. They also joke about gender dynamics in music and share insights on finding joy in artistic struggle.
Topics discussed
Intro: Johanna Samuels and Madison Cunningham
Women in music and the 'naked' joke
Friendship, creative process, and writer's block
The addictive joy of songwriting and mental health
Refining lyrics and the influence of Tom Petty
Covering songs, chord structures, and breathing
The long road to making 'Sorry Kid'
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Humor in sad songs and Fiona Apple's anger
Gender dynamics, beauty standards, and resilience
Redefining success and embracing discomfort
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