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Is It Time to Let Our Illusions Die? (with Obama National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes)

Sep 20, 2026 · 1h 29m

Summary

Ben Rhodes, former Obama advisor and NYT writer, discusses the failure of the US-Iran war, arguing that military strikes have failed to achieve regime change or destroy Iran's nuclear program. He critiques the erosion of international law and the "imperfect choices" rationalization used by administrations to justify foreign policy errors, including the Libya intervention and support for Israel. Rhodes also reflects on his eight years in the White House, analyzing Obama's 2008 "race speech" as a model for multiracial democracy and acknowledging his own dissent regarding drone strikes and Egypt.

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