Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso Talk Easy with Sam Fragoso

Novelist Colson Whitehead’s New York State of Mind

Aug 16, 2026 · 1h 5m

Summary

Sam Fragoso interviews two-time Pulitzer winner Colson Whitehead about his latest novel, The Cool Machine, the final installment in his Harlem crime trilogy. They discuss the book’s protagonist, Whitehead’s shifting literary tones, and his personal history growing up in New York City. The conversation also covers the influence of Toni Morrison, his "psychotronic" childhood, and his skeptical views on AI and the future of reading.

Topics discussed

Intro: Civilization decline, AI, and Colson Whitehead's new book The Cool Machine: Completing the Harlem crime trilogy Ray Carney's middle-aged disquiet and genre conventions New York City as a character: Harlem, zombies, and memory Psychotronic childhood: Horror movies and coming of age Video store culture and Escape from New York Sponsors: Article, Quince, Zenni, and Airbnb Sag Harbor: Personal archaeology and surviving a difficult home Solo trip to Brazil and the start of his writing career Early career, father's influence, and finding his voice Meeting Toni Morrison and the weight of literary legacy Sponsor: Bull & Branch bedding The end of reading, AI, and why he keeps writing New York's resilience and the changing city Reflections on 9/11, memory, and the Twin Towers Brother Clark, finding wholeness, and the purpose of art
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