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The Lawyer Challenging Trump’s Deportations and Winning (with Lee Gelernt)

Oct 20, 2026 · 11m

Summary

Lee Galanter, deputy director of the ACLU Immigrants' Rights Project, discusses the legal battle over the Trump administration’s use of the Alien Enemies Act and its alleged violation of a court order. The conversation centers on the government’s refusal to allow Judge Boesberg to investigate contempt, arguing that only the executive branch can investigate its own actions. Galanter highlights the broader implications for the rule of law and judicial independence, noting the administration’s defiant stance and the potential for an independent prosecutor to handle the matter.

Topics discussed

Introduction to Lee Gerlert and the Alien Enemies Act case Preview of Supreme Court immigration cases and subscription pitch Whistleblower allegations and the government's contempt defense Judicial authority to enforce orders versus executive self-investigation The 'fox guarding the hen house' and threats to go to the Supreme Court The rule of law and the decision to violate court orders in advance Reflections on the en banc argument and judge reactions Judge Boesberg's findings and the government's refusal to cooperate Options for criminal prosecution: DOJ referral vs. independent prosecutor The need for a court record and government denial of whistleblower claims Disrespect for the judiciary and Stephen Miller's comments Closing remarks and subscription reminder Sponsor: EA Sports FC 27 Sponsor: Coca-Cola
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